Ally Gh

why were burkinis banned in France? They are allowed again but what is the difference between banning burkinis and forcing women to were hijab? Isn't forcing sb to do sth always bad?

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Didge Doo answered

Just an opinion, but I think the ban was an emotional reaction to the wave of Islamic terror attacks in France. We shouldn't expect people to remain coolly detached when their lives and those of their family and friends are under threat from murderous, religious fundamentalists.

It was the wrong reaction.

While there's every reason to ban hijabs, burkas, and other face coverings, which can be used to hide the identity of terrorists, forcing Muslim women to use normal swim wear at the beach is a denial of their democratic right. (A democratic right that terrorists use to commit their atrocities.)

The Catholic Church was guilty of organised legal terror during the years of the Inquisition, and the protestants fared no better in Salem, Massachusetts. And, of course, there was the infamy of the Crusades. But this is the 21st century. The Christian church has moved on while Islam wallows in the ignorance of the Middle Ages.

When you think about it, just 100 years ago, even western society insisted on covering up. We've come a long way, thank goodness.


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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
I just meant to indicate that principles are generally not absolute.

The sustainability of the very society that protects those principles is also a worthy principle to aspire to.

While I am no fan of martial law (military government involving the suspension of ordinary law). it is sometimes the only thing that work will work.
Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Agree. But the question was about burkinis.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
I think it actually is about something else:

Suppose that a great commotion arises in the street about something, let us say a lamp-post, which many influential persons desire to pull down. A grey-clad monk, who is the spirit of the Middle Ages, is approached upon the matter, and begins to say, in the arid manner of the Schoolmen, “Let us first of all consider, my brethren, the value of Light. If Light be in itself good–” At this point he is somewhat excusably knocked down. All the people make a rush for the lamp-post, the lamp-post is down in ten minutes, and they go about congratulating each other on their unmediaeval practicality. But as things go on they do not work out so easily. Some people have pulled the lamp-post down because they wanted the electric light; some because they wanted old iron; some because they wanted darkness, because their deeds were evil. Some thought it not enough of a lamp-post, some too much; some acted because they wanted to smash municipal machinery; some because they wanted to smash something. And there is war in the night, no man knowing whom he strikes. So, gradually and inevitably, to-day, to-morrow, or the next day, there comes back the conviction that the monk was right after all, and that all depends on what is the philosophy of Light. Only what we might have discussed under the gas-lamp, we now must discuss in the dark.

– Heretics (1905). (Chesterton)
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Rooster Cogburn
Rooster Cogburn commented
If you've never been to France ? You'll never figure out what they do and say.
Jann Nikka
Jann Nikka commented
I saw the first article and was confused before you posted it. Saw the second article and understood. Thanks.
Ally Gh
Ally Gh commented
Thanks Rooster. But banning burkinis is as bad as forcing people to wear Hijab
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Tom Jackson answered

I don't see a need to modify the principles on which individual freedom is based, but how we administer them may need to change---especially when an inflexible application of those principles threaten the continued existence of the society that established them for its people.

If we fail to protect ourselves from those who intend to do us harm by using our principles against us, to whom shall we turn to guarantee the rights we once held so dear?

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