Maurice Korvo

November 5 is Guy Fawkes day! What is taught in schools now? Was he a "notorious traitor", or a "revolutionary hero"? Or has he become just a grey person of history neither good or bad?

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Virginia Lou Profile
Virginia Lou answered

Dear Korvo One,

When I was teaching cytology at the University of Washington in the 1970's, Seattle, I would always bring up Guy Fawkes' Day for special commemoration... but it was just a special twist, a break from the usual!

I did not put any special spin of hero or traitor; it was a plot to blow up the British Parliament with King James I inside, and with his death restore the monarchy to Catholicism. This sabotage was to have taken place on November 5, 1605...but was thwarted just the night before.

Folks instead had bonfires on that night, celebrating that the king did not get killed. And they have done so ever since, even to this day.

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Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Korvo I had to think about that a bit...
If I were teaching it as history, rather than just an intriguing break into something unusual, I think my approach might be the (ongoing and universal) human tragedy of religions trying to kill each other.

So it would be in the context of all human history, and not trying to judge those particular players.

I don't actually know much about that plot, except that religion was a big motive.
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Maybe try to address your Q...as to whether history should be taught with "just the facts"...

I once contacted Wikipedia because their article just gave facts, leaving out the human poignancy. Again I would want to consider more deeply, since I have not taught history as such, but I think I would want to bring in the controversies, the heart-breaking struggles.
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Okay...this is what I found on the history.com website:

"Though originally anti-Catholic in tone, in recent times it has served mainly as an excuse to watch fireworks, make bonfires, drink mulled wine and burn Guy Fawkes effigies (along with the effigies of current politicians and celebrities)."
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Didge Doo answered

For pure erudition, go read Virginia's answer again.

She only missed one point. Because of his love for the Cathoilic Church and his attempt to build the world's first religiously-motivated IED Pope Whatzis XXII had him beatified and canonised, and he is now St. Guy of Fawkes, the patron saint of pyrotechnicians.

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Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Dozy I found an interesting concise bio of Sir Thomas More (1478-1535). He coined the word UTOPIA, and in his book of that title he proposed communism as way to get out of government egos.

He advocated for reason, and was quite a humanist.
Also stood his ground of conscience against King Henry VIII...
you could do worse for your patron saint!
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
http://www.biography.com/people/thomas-more-9414278#at-odds-with-henry-&-subsequent-beheading
Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Interesting read, Virginia. Thanks. He was a remarkable man. It would have taken much courage to live that closely to a despot like Henry. Dangerous!

So I'm happy to accept St. Thomas as my patron saint but not happy about his magnanimity in interceding for politicians.
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Ancient Hippy answered

I'm older than dirt and had never heard of him until his mask became popular in the movie V for Vendetta.

Image result for guy fawkes mask

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Maurice Korvo
Maurice Korvo commented
Not celebrated in Canada, no, But my generation learned about him, and at that time he was a traitor and got what he deserved, but society is changing its views on people and I just wondered if the view of him had changed.
Ancient Hippy
Ancient Hippy commented
Understandable.
KB Baldwin Profile
KB Baldwin answered

American here.  I've heard of him, mostly thru reading outside of school.  He was tied into a plot (The Gunpowder Plot) to blow up Parliament.  And that is all I know. 

Pepper pot Profile
Pepper pot answered

Virginia is correct, I am not sure what is taught in schools now, Fawkes wasn't alone he was just the guy tasked to plant the charges. He wasn't burned he was executed.

Bonfire night actually comes from a Pagan background just like Halloween.

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2013/oct/31/halloween-traditions-pagan-rituals-bonfire-night

Today I think people are more familiar with V for Vendetta than Guy Fawkes.

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Maurice Korvo
Maurice Korvo commented
He was not supposed to be burned, he was to be hung (almost to death) then disembowelled (and his organs burned as he watched) and then quartered (which truly resulted in death). Fawkes however cheated, and jumped off the hanging platform, and killed himself.
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Rooster Cogburn , Rooster Cogburn, answered

I have to agree with Hippy as I had never heard of him either. Hard to answer your question by looking him up also. Sorry.

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Jaimie JT answered

I live in Canada and the only thing I know about Guy Fawkes day is I've never heard of it.

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Maurice Korvo
Maurice Korvo commented
Could be age too. You were probably taught Louis Riel was a revolutionary hero (so to speak) whereas I was taught (in Canada) that he was a notorious traitor and got what he deserved..
Jaimie  JT
Jaimie JT commented
In all honesty I have no idea who Lois Reil is either ....because you're from Canada I'm assuming I should. I didn't like history class much though until grade ten and I had a hot as' history teacher. one time my best friend and I crank phoned his house and a woman answered so we decided she had to die....I moved province shortly after that though so her life was spared ;)
Maurice Korvo
Maurice Korvo commented
You are probably from the eastern part of Canada. Louis Riel, founder of Manitoba. Worked with the Metis against the Canadian government encroaching on Metis land. There is a public holiday in February in Manitoba, Louis Riel Day.

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