Didge Doo

Since consensus has been reached between the CIA, the FBI, and NSA there seems little doubt that Putin engineered Trump's win. How will this revelation affect future elections, not just in the US but in any Western country?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/06/vladimir-putin-us-election-interference-report-donald-trump

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PJ Stein answered

I don't know how it will effect future elections. I find one thing too coincidental for me, and I am not a big conspiracy theory person. But isn't it odd that all this hacking is coming from the same country that Edward Snowden has taken refuge in? He worked for the NSA and knows their operating system. 

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Call me Z
Call me Z commented
Might not be too great a stretch to think Snowden played a role (whether of his own volition or under duress). Paying the rent?
Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Now THAT's an interesting thought. It hadn't even occurred to me. They could certainly make use of his background knowledge of the system. I respect Snowden but it's hard to know where his thinking has gone since he jumped ship.

On the other hand I have zero respect for Assange and it's odd that Trump appears to be reaching out to him.
Call me Z Profile
Call me Z answered

A couple of points here, Didge.

All these Gov't entities agree that Putin had no means of tinkering with actual votes. He (or his cronies) hacked into the DNC computer message system(s). Yes, nasty business. The disenfranchised voters in the US midwest ("flyover states", the coastal elites call them) decided the election. 

These are also the same gov't entities that boldly proclaimed WMD's were lying around in Saddam's backyard in Iraq, in 2002. Could this be intentional misdirection, again? Food for thought.

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Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
It could easily be misdirection although when all three agreed I thought that was significant. These agencies will be working under a Trump presidency and it would scarcely be opportune for their leaders to alienate the incoming president without good cause.

And, yeah, I've heard that "flyover states" before. Very elitist, very dismissive.
Call me Z
Call me Z commented
Further, there is much to be said for cyberspace as an ever-emerging battlefield for all manner of commercial, political and even interpersonal warfare. We see Trump tweets his salvos almost daily. This, IMO, almost inevitably will become more widespread and nefarious in the future.
Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
You're right, of course. I've never tried Twitter so, although I've heard about some of his more outrageous tweets from the news media, I have no idea what happens there. It seems lots of people take Twitter very seriously, and they do Facebook.

Your comment about emerging battlefields and interpersonal warfare is right on the money. The Internet can be a stressful, dangerous place at times.
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Ancient One answered

I would not attempt to guess how it would affect other countries but here in the US, and this is only my opinion, after the 20th of January the general public will want to get things back to "normal" (what ever that is now) as soon as possible. International hacking of US systems public as well as government system will continue and increase. So will the "so called" preventive measures. Unless something is done that brings the American people together as a whole, as with 911, whatever the scandal or crime it will be forgotten by the public  in due time. Having said that I will add, based on my personal experience, regardless who the president of the US is, there is always a patient group of US Federal workers (in various agencies) who will keep the "item" in focus just below the radar. When and if there is an opportunity, let us say with the next president or heaven forbid another major catastrophe, they will have all the ducks in order and be ready to act upon it.

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Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
I hope you're right, Ancient One. We don't know what will happen after Jan 20, of course. ALL politicians make empty promises (or threats) but don't necessarily feel any need to act on them once they gain office.

You're certainly right about the public's short memory. All will be forgiven if he doesn't totally screw up. Whatever Mr Trump does it's going to be an interesting four years...

But then, in China, "May you live in interesting times," is offered as a curse.
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Forgive me if I got this all wrong but it has occurred to me I agree with this post I recently found ... .

It appears there were never any Russian hackers. And no matter who gave the information to Wikileaks, that information that the American public was NEVER SUPPOSED TO KNOW, (the truth was being hidden from the public ) that may have changed some people's opinion of Hillary Clinton. So basically, they are saying that Russia must be punished for helping to enlighten the American people with information that was CRITICAL to making a good decision as to who to elect to the most powerful position in the world. Gee.... Dam Russians ruined everything. The American people were supposed to be fed Hilary's lies and believe them. WHOEVER GAVE UP THOSE EMAILS MIGHT  HAVE DONE EVERYONE A FAVOUR BY EXPOSING HER. They didn't make anything up, they didn't try to fool people .. They just exposed her.

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Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Hi Biker Girl. What about editing that and separating the post from your comments. Then, if you would, a link to the post would be useful.

To be honest it sounds very much like the kind of pre-election rant that the GOP and its supporters were propagating and is more emotional than factual. (I'm not having a shot at you, I just want to know the source so that it can be evaluated against the writer.)

But when three major agencies agree that the hacking actually took place it's naive to say that there was no hacking simply because one party or the other claims that to be the case.

Sorry about my negative response but if you can come up with that link I'd appreciate it.
Bikergirl Anonymous
Sorry .. I don't remember where I even got it from. I had just come across it and found it poignant. To me it origin is irrelevant .. however, it's point is something to consider.
Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Thanks anyway, Biker Girl.
Tom  Jackson Profile
Tom Jackson answered

Rather than address this with one of my typical treatises, let me just say that I am content to know that I am apparently smarter than Putin.

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Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Oh, I think he was very smart in backing Mr Trump, Tom. Can you imagine any other president who would create such disharmony in the US, even among his own party?

Putin's a judo player. He can see the value of setting Americans against each other, using their own strength against them, rather than launching a direct attack.
Ray  Dart Profile
Ray Dart answered

If any of you get a chance to see Brookes' Cartoon in the (English) Times today, take it. I guess they are no longer on Trumps Christmas card list......

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Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Couldn't get in. Found one about Boris but not trump. Do you have a link, please?
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
http://times.newsprints.co.uk/search/scu/p/u/203758/1/peter%20brookes%20cartoons
Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Thanks, Tom. I wonder whether Murdoch (a strong GOP supporter) isn't equally a Trump supporter?

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